“MY CAREER JOURNEY”: INTERVIEW
Endeavor CEO and Co-Founder
Named one of “America’s Best Leaders” by U.S. News and one of TIME’s 100 “Innovators for the 21st century”
The best ideas don’t die in the marketplace or the laboratory or in the conference room, they die in the minds of the dreamers who have them and never get them out of the shower or off the napkin and into the world. So I think you have to give yourself permission to get going with your dream.
[Linda Rottenberg CEO]
Before discussing Endeavor and your New York Times bestseller, Crazy Is A Compliment: The Power of Zigging When Everyone Else Zags, I thought I might start by asking, if I may, when did you decide that you didn’t want to be a lawyer?
Sure. I grew up in a traditional family outside of Boston. My parents were childhood sweethearts. My dad went on to become a lawyer in Boston and my mom stayed home to raise 3 kids. I have always described my parents as incredibly loving and incredibly risk-averse people. Some of that rubbed off on me, I suppose, because I went to Harvard University then straight through to Yale Law School. I got to Yale where I thought no one really learned the law anyway but just learned to be public intellectuals. Apparently I got the wrong memo because everyone in my class either wanted to clerk for the Supreme Court or become a law professor. I figured out pretty quickly that this wasn’t for me. While I was racking up the billable hours at my first summer internship, my friends were doing things that were more entrepreneurial and I thought, “oh my god what am I getting myself into?” I ultimately completed law school but towards the end I started telling all my professors that I was in a conundrum and that I didn’t want to be a lawyer. Luckily, Owen Fiss and some other Yale law professors took pity on me and told me about an opportunity to work in Chile and Argentina. I immediately jumped on it and it was there that the idea for Endeavor was born.
Would you mind maybe just telling us a little bit more about how Endeavor came about and what you’re doing at Endeavor?
My “aha” moment for Endeavor came in a taxi in Buenos Aires when my driver told me he had an engineering degree but couldn’t find a job. It was the mid-1990s and everyone back home was talking about Netscape, Yahoo and other exciting entrepreneurial opportunities starting up in the US. Yet, the young people I talked to in Latin America only aspired to a government job or if not the government, then a position at one of the top ten family businesses in the country. I thought, “this is crazy, why is no one starting up their own thing?” After going back and forth with my taxi driver, I came to realize that there was no word for “entrepreneur” in Spanish or Portuguese, let alone Turkish or Arabic. So, I went back home and met up with this other crazy kid called Peter Kellner, whom my mentors (a Professor at Harvard Business School and Bill Drayton of Ashoka) introduced me to, and together we hashed out the idea for Endeavor, right at my kitchen table. The concept was to create an organization that would find and support fast growing entrepreneurs or what we call the “high-impact” entrepreneurs who were dreaming up companies that could potentially really matter for their countries. Yet, there was no local support system to encourage risk-taking and innovation. That was really the concept behind Endeavor.
Today, we now operate in 22 countries on 5 continents. We brought our model to Europe a year ago after working in Latin America, the Middle East, Africa and Asia. And most recently, we brought it back home with new offices in Miami, Detroit and Louisville. So far, we have screened 40,000 candidates and accepted, after a year-long selection process, 1,000 entrepreneurs from over 600 companies into our network. Together those companies have generated over 400,000 jobs and 7 billion dollars annually. So the idea behind Endeavor was always to find people with big ideas and big dreams and provide them with the mentorship and support system to pursue them.
As an Irish guy I have to ask, have you any plans to bring Endeavor to Ireland?
Maybe. You know I never thought we would go to Europe and the United States since initially we talked about Endeavor as only being in the emerging markets. But after the Greek financial crisis, we got calls from Greek businesses leaders who knew of our work in Latin America, the Middle East and elsewhere. They said we need entrepreneurship, we need people taking some risk and innovating here and we want Endeavor to model that. After that, we started getting calls not only from Spain and Portugal but also from Miami business owners who informed us that it was just as hard for someone to start a company here, especially if it was non-tech related, because there was no support to grow and scale. Even for tech companies, the only option was to move to Silicon Valley to find capital. As a result, we have re-thought our model and we are now looking at Japan, even London so I wouldn’t be surprised if Ireland hit our radar screen too.
Can you tell us how your New York Times bestselling book: Crazy Is A Compliment: The Power of Zigging When Everyone Else Zags came about?
I basically had two motivations. Firstly, after working with a thousand entrepreneurs and seeing them not just in the start-up phase but also at the scale-up phase, I wanted to chart the whole journey of entrepreneurs. Too many people writing about entrepreneurship only focus on the start-up, so I decided to cover 3 sections in my book: Get Going; Go Big and Go Home. I wanted to share examples of everyday entrepreneurs who were not just young male techies in hoodies from Silicon Valley. I think that stories about Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk discourage as many entrepreneurs as it encourages because they seem to be unrelateable to some degree. People have told me, “Look I don’t have the next Facebook idea so how can I expect to start and grow my business?” The first thing I wanted to do with the book was create more “human” examples and we began with the lessons that I have learned working with 1,000 entrepreneurs. That was the first goal, aimed at people who were already starting businesses of any size. Then, I started getting calls from the parents at drop-off at my daughter’s school who were in some sort of work transition. They were thinking about maybe working for themselves or starting a community project. I also started getting calls from people inside big corporations who said, “I want to take some risks but I don’t want to leave my company, what do you think about intrepreneurship?” So I really wanted to create a platform where people from all walks of life could get inspired to take some risks even if they were staying in their company, or starting a non-profit or running a small business. That’s why in the beginning of the book I created this zoology of different types of entrepreneur species:
- the “gazelles” who are aiming for growth and want to go big.
- the butterflies who are the sole proprietors – the people who want a small lifestyle business but they want to grow it effectively
- the dolphins who are aiming for changes to government or social sectors and
- then my favourite, the skunks, the intrapreneurs in large corporations.
In your book you speak about the importance of “Knowing Thyself”. Can you tell us about that?
Well in addition to the four species that I came up with, which is really the arena you’re working in, the gazelle, dolphin, butterfly and skunk, I also worked with Bain over several years to develop an entrepreneur personality test. In fact people can go on my website (www.lindarottenberg.com) and take a shortened version of this questionnaire that we gave to hundreds of our entrepreneurs to find whether you are a “diamond,” “star,” “transformer,” or “rocket ship.”
We found that many entrepreneurs try to model themselves on Steve Jobs when really they have completely different strengths and weaknesses. I have found that so many ventures end up failing not because of anything related to the product or the market, but because of people. The more you know yourself, the more you know your strengths and motivations, but also your blind spots, the better you can install a team around you that complements you. Entrepreneurship at the end of the day should not be a solo sport. Even if you are just creating a small business or a family business, you have to interact daily with others. We often think about entrepreneurs as their ideas and their passions, in other words, it’s all about them. Learning to think about how you should engage with other people is really the key to making your venture last.
What advice would you give to people who are dreaming about starting up a new enterprise to actually get going?
I think that what I’ve learned working with 1,000 entrepreneurs across all different backgrounds, industries, countries and circumstances is that the biggest barriers to getting going are not financial, they are not structural or cultural—they are psychological. People hold themselves back. The best ideas don’t die in the marketplace or the laboratory or in the conference room, they die in the minds of the dreamers who have them and never get them out of the shower or off the napkin and into the world. So I think you have to give yourself permission to get going with your dream. And that’s why I say, that there are going to be naysayers, it’s going to be tough and that’s why if people are calling you crazy, you should take it as a compliment, own it and move on. We’ve all heard the phrase “friends don’t let friends drive drunk“, well one of my mottos is that “friends don’t let friends test-drive their ideas” because friends are not reliable test-drivers. They either want to protect us or they won’t tell us the truth. They are going to tell us our ideas are brilliant when really they shouldn’t get off the ground. It’s like going to a wedding dress fitting and expecting people to say the bride looks anything but beautiful. Or, more risk-averse family and friends are going to try and tell you that yours is a terrible idea and we’re going to go bankrupt and we should never even try. I think the beauty today of crowd-funding and crowd-sourcing is not only that they can give you resources, but that they can give you feedback from people who will actually tell us if they would pay for our product or service. It’s a wonderful new platform that people can use to get going while still minimising risks.
Turns out that most successful entrepreneurs are not risk-maximizers but risk-minimizers. Take Nike’s motto: Just do it. You would think that Phil Knight, the guy who founded Nike, would just do it. It turns out that, while he was getting Nike going, he spent a decade doing other people’s taxes and working as an accountant while someone else sold the shoes! So I think that this idea that we should take baby steps and baby failures is the way to go: we have to learn to psych ourselves up instead of psyching ourselves out.
I love that advice about giving ourselves permission to start things. Can you tell us more about that?
I talk in the book about having to tell my parents that I was not pursuing the law. As I said this was a traditional family so it was a very scary moment. But after they basically tried very kindly to talk me out of it, that’s when I realised that I was the only one who could give myself that permission and I had to do it. That it was choosing between fear and hope and I had to choose hope. And that’s what I try and do in “Crazy Is a Compliment”: to give others that confidence and the inspiration to get going. I think that one of the things we do in the United States and Europe in particular is over-plan, over power-point, run to the boss or our spouses or our families to quickly to ask for permission. We have to stop planning and start doing. People who can see a problem (half of them don’t even know that they’re entrepreneurs) just see a pain point and start acting on it, and then they ask for feedback on it to see if they can should take it to the next level.
If you were to take one piece of advice from your book, Crazy Is A Compliment: The Power of Zigging When Everyone Else Zags say one “crazy” piece of advice, what would you want to tell someone?
Well if we’re going “crazy” then one piece of advice I like to give is that “stalking is an underrated startup strategy.” Many entrepreneurs actually started as outsiders who weaselled their way in by using what I call the dark-arts of entrepreneurship which they will never teach you in Business School but which I have used to great avail. In fact, I landed one of my biggest investors outside the men’s bathroom, where I was not so subtly waiting for him. I tell stories about some of my favourite stalkers in the book! We just had a woman from Saudi Arabia who created the Nespresso of Arabic coffee and she was at one of our events where I found her trapping Steve Case in the corner of a restaurant. I said “Are you stalking him?” and she said “Yes” and I thoguht “oh, a woman after my own heart!”
Finally, can you think of perhaps the best piece of advice that someone has actually given you whether personally or professionally since you started your journey with Endeavor?
I would say a couple of things. One is that I went to mentors of mine in Brazil when I was having a particularly difficult moment a few years after getting Endeavor off the ground. I said “isn’t it supposed to get easier? What am I doing wrong?” They told me that hard is normal and that the road to being an entrepreneur is never smooth. I have a whole chapter in the book about chaos being your friend. Some of the best ideas are formed in periods of personal or professional crisis. This can actually be when entrepreneurs have an opportunity to thrive. So realising that it was going to be harder, I built a circle of support around me. One of my hopes for the book is that people will learn how to bring mentors in and get support and inspiration from these stories knowing that they’re not alone and that it’s ok if it’s hard and that they can push through.
The second best piece of advice came from my daughters. When they were about 5 (they are now 10) and I was getting ready to go on a business trip, they told me, “Just remember, you can be an entrepreneur for a short time, but you are a Mommy forever“. It’s the single best piece of advice for leading my life. I’ve realised that I don’t like the word “balance”, which I find very stressful and unattainable; instead I talk about work-life integration, weaving our passions and your dreams and your work into your family life. Really what’s the point if we’re all out there working if we leave the people we love behind. This comment from them really made me reflect, “how do I do a better job?“, and part of that meant prioritizing and learning to say no to a lot of things. And when I do say no, I just say “look, I’m a Mommy too” and people immediately understand.
LINDA ROTTENBERG CEO
Named one of “America’s Best Leaders” by U.S. News and one of TIME’s 100 “Innovators for the 21st century,” Linda Rottenberg is considered among the world’s most dynamic experts on entrepreneurship, innovation, and leadership.
Rottenberg is co-founder and CEO of Endeavor, the premier organization focusing on the scale-up phase of entrepreneurship. Headquartered in New York with 50 offices across the globe, Endeavor identifies, mentors, and co-invests in “high-impact” entrepreneurs: those with the biggest ideas, the likeliest potential to build companies that matter, and the greatest ability to inspire others.
Linda is also author of a New York Times bestseller, Crazy Is A Compliment: The Power of Zigging When Everyone Else Zags, published in October 2014.
Rottenberg serves on the board of Zayo Group, a global provider of bandwidth infrastructure (NYSE: ZAYO). She a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and Young Presidents Organization (YPO) and serves on the entrepreneurship steering committee of the World Economic Forum.
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